The public sentiment towards the Ukraine peace talks with Russia is overwhelmingly skeptical and critical, with a predominant belief that genuine negotiations are unlikely due to Russia's aggressive behavior and a perceived lack of sincerity. Many commenters express concerns over the humanitarian impact of the ongoing war and argue against any concessions that might reward Russia for its aggression. Public frustration is also directed at Ukraine's leadership amidst calls for a firm stance on territorial integrity.

Zelensky

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Zelensky should focus on trying to get Europe and US on the same page. What has made it difficult to produce a peace deal is internal. 

Russia’s position is what it is. Want to change that? Make progress in the war, and that does not seem to be feasible, at least not feasible now. Why Russia has to change their position? Why? You can expect Putin to be crude, but don’t expect him to be stupid. 

So, in front of Russia, making a deal is all about recognising what Russia’s demands are, and finding a solution in the middle. What can change though, is Europe and US positions. That’s the ‘card’ which Zelensky really has. 

But I don’t think Europe and US are on the same page. There hasn’t been a moment since Trump took power where I feel I can say look Europe and US now have a united front. They are always miles apart in negotiation positions. 

If I was Russia negotiator, I would have one of the simplest jobs in the world: I just repeat what Russian demands are and watch the west like a laughing stock. There’s nothing else that I HAVE TO do.

EntertainmentSad3174

How many times will they do and say the same things. This won’t be over until Putin wants it to be.

jakeharris39

Russia can go home to the largest geographical territory in the world any time.

Many-Waters

If he ready to make concessions? Because it's useless going back with the same demands. Especially since the front is collapsing...


Otherwise it's just a PR stunt to make Russia look like they don't want the peace.

mhhHowaboutno

Some-Waltz6212

In other words, Kyiv is not ready for peace talks.

Ukraine seems to always be few steps behind in it's expectations. Right after the successful first counter-offensive, they could have possibly been able to get a peace deal like that. Limited investment from Russia, Ukraine had a strong position, cool.  
But no, then they also wanted Donbas and Crimea.

Now when they are running out of manpower, the Russians are the ones pushing lines forward, and support in the west is slowly dwindling, while Russia is to some extend used to sanctions, they are willing to sign peace, but not cede any territory.

I get it, in a just world, Ukraine would get Crimean and whole of Donbas back, Putin would bite the curb, and everyone would live happily ever after.  
But that's not the world we live in, and Ukraine is not winning this war.

Platypus__Gems

Lots of crypto Russian propagandists coming out of woodwork under these threads. However if they want Russia to win, they should volunteer themselves for Russian Army instead of spamming pre-crafted talking points under an anime_tiddies thread.

mooman555

Looking at the map and the fact that Russia seems close to taking lyman, kupyansk, pokrovsk and myrnograd cities...why would....realistically speaking...Russia countenance serious talks that freeze the lines where they are?

I just think the reality on the front atm is horrific and in attritional warfare the losses sustained are just unsustainable for the nation that seems to have fewer men.

I don't expect peace for another 18 months at least tbh.

Its almost like we should have given Ukraine the kit it needed years ago...in 2022 before Russia does what it does in every war and grows from shambles to a steam roller.

bluecheese2040

full article:

&gt;KYIV, Oct 28 (Reuters) - Ukraine is ready for peace talks but will not withdraw its troops from additional territory first as Moscow has demanded, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said.

&gt;In comments to reporters released on Tuesday, he said he was happy for talks to be held anywhere, except in Russia itself or on the territory of Moscow's close ally Belarus.

&gt;Plans for a summit in Budapest this month between U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin were put on hold after Moscow stuck to demands, including that Ukraine cede more territory as a condition for a ceasefire.

&gt;Trump has backed Ukraine's call for an immediate ceasefire on current lines.

##EUROPEAN AND UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS SET TO MEET

&gt;Ukrainian and European officials will meet on Friday or Saturday to discuss the details of a ceasefire plan, Zelenskiy told reporters on Tuesday after meeting the visiting Dutch foreign minister, David van Weel.

&gt;"It is not a plan to end the war. First of all, a ceasefire is needed," Zelenskiy said.

&gt;"This is a plan to begin diplomacy... Our advisers will meet in the coming days, we agreed on Friday or Saturday. They will discuss the details of this plan."

&gt;In Monday's comments to reporters, Zelenskiy said he was happy to attend peace talks, including in Hungary, despite reservations about some of the positions of its Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who, he said, "blocks everything for Ukraine".

&gt;"If there will be results, then God bless - let the talks take place anywhere," he said. "It almost doesn't matter, just not in Russia, of course, and definitely not in Belarus."

&gt;Zelenskiy also urged U.S. lawmakers to pass tougher restrictions on Russia after Trump imposed sanctions on Moscow's two biggest oil companies.

&gt;Ukraine would need stable financing from its European allies for another two or three years, Zelenskiy said.

&gt;He also said in his remarks on Tuesday that he hoped for China's help to end the war.

&gt;"We would like very much for China to put pressure on Russia to end this war and not to assist its continuation in any way," he said.

kirosayshowdy

So Ukraine will not cede territory but wants peace talks

Russia wants to keep territories, at least some of them

So peace talks are pointless and all Zelensky is doing is posturing/virtue signalling/wasting time. There is no point in talking if deal breaker conditions can't be satisfied.

geltance

Ceding territory would just feed an appetiser to Putin who wants the full 9 course meal of the slavic states, ceding territory to Russian influence just weakens Ukraine in the long term

LtSoba

I don't see any realistic situation where Ukraine does not lose at least some territory. 

On the ground Ukraine is barely holding back the tide as the Russians make incremental gains. Yes, they are taking heavy casualties but they are inflicting casualties as well and they are continuing to take more ground.

Meanwhile we do need to question Ukraine's ability to continue the war given their growing manpower issues. I understand that this is an outcome many see as unfair and unjust, but it's also the most realistic one given the circumstances.

Zuldak

spending so much time talking about a ceasefire (months now) instead of just offering a permanent peace agreement is so strange to me, Russia already ruled out a ceasefire and wants a permanent end to the war, why not go along with this? I can think of only one reason, would like to hear others perspective

iVladi

I don't see any problem with the statement. Now the question is whether he can get it back by force. If the answer is unclear, then he's not ready to start negotiations.

I know there are various opinions here about the origin of the war: that Putin is the new Hitler, that the West armed Ukraine to bring Russia to its knees, etc.

I wonder if those who started this (whoever they may be)

Are they regretting having started it all?..

Paltamachine

lmao, peace talks… good one, that was a sarcastic joke right? Russia wants peace huh?

hacketyapps

Really pointless message by now.   Russia will never talk peace.   Any more delays of the full destruction of Russia will just cost more Ukrainian lives.

ZeroKarma6250

Regular-Marionberry6

NATO vows to support Ukraine ...with prayers and supportive memes.

Ohhhh-Hilly

I thought trump resolved this in 24 hours like he promised he would when he was campaigning??

txkwatch

Oh, peace talks you say? 

How about we propose to Putin that he promise not to invade, if Ukraine gives up all of it's drones?

series-hybrid

There's seems to be a flaw with that plan. Russia starts peace talks but continue the war with no more NATO support.

indinriclup

"NATO’s actions are defensive, designed not to provoke conflict but to prevent conflict. The Alliance has a responsibility to ensure that this war does not escalate and spread beyond Ukraine, which would be even more devastating and dangerous. Enforcing a no-fly zone or deploying combat troops to Ukraine would bring NATO forces into direct conflict with Russia. This would significantly escalate the war and lead to more human suffering and destruction for all countries involved."

Directly from the NATO website. As if Russia would actually escalate if NATO deployed 100k troops 50km behind the a Line of Control. That kind of commitment would bring Putin immediately to the negotiation table. 

At some point it just appears that western nations are happy to keep Ukraine a forever war. We will gladly supply you just the bare minimum to not be run over, but we won't be actually helping.

_cdxliv_

Embarrassed_Aerie969

Weak_Definition_4321

Fuck'em.

The next 'peace talk' should happen immediately after Putin announces a complete ceasefire on the Russian side.

Until then, every single bit of petro industry equipment in Russia needs to be taken out..

Informal_Ad_9610

Russia talks but doesn't listen, because it benefits them. Russia will only listen to steel and booms.

AllUrUpsAreBelong2Us

Don’t even bother.  You’ll just have to beat some sense into them.  That’s all they understand.

Laketech

Peace talks can resume once Russia leaves Ukraine. Pays for the damages. Gives back there land and gives Ukraine security guarantees. Fuck Russia and enjoy your refinery’s on fire until you comply.

Lopsided-Insurance26

Link50L

Peace talks? Trust russia? 
Neh, they chose war. Now they gonna know absolute defeat and loose all, inc crimea. 
It has to done that way. No negotiation.. one option, and thats withdraw their army and loose crimea. Get the bridge down and a superduper geavely defended ukraine on their borders. They wont try again.

The only extra advice id give ukraine is to make a big wall on the border with russia so nothing can go in. Big enough so no tanks vehicles humans can go in. 
Its permanent.

TheDucktapeBandit2

The only acceptable peace is Russia out of Ukraine, and we must support Ukraine accordingly.

FalardeauDeNazareth

In practice, the *only* peace that the Russians have understood and wanted is a depraved and dystopian take on [Рах МоngоІіса](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Mongolica) with the residents of Moscow instead of those of Kаrаkоrum being the caste members self-entitled to exploit and suck everyone else dry.

Every peace treaty and agreement with a Russian signatory has proven to be less valuable than used toilet paper since Russians see and/or know how these contracts hinder them from fulfilling their *jihad* founded on a pathology of [self-righteous warmongering](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_evolution_of_Russia#Table_of_changes) and [Nаzі-grade chauvinism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Russian_nation).

Furthermore, in line with their disgraceful ancestors from the swamps of Muscovy who became the МоngоІѕ' most reliable сuсkѕ by enforcing "peace" as the GоІdеn Ноrdе's staunchest ~~collaborators~~ bootlickers, the Russians want to keep building on that vile memory and sordid heritage by making **non**\-Russians today be *their* bootlickers if it's the last thing they'll manage to do.

ChungsGhost

Talk is cheap! Ukraine can continue doing what is destructive and good. Soon they will come to the table!  Go and take out more oil/gas units!

furyandtempest

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Aimforceone

Well we can finally stop looking like total idiots and switch to talking about bullets

Comrade281


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[Good article on this here](https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/ukraine-peace-negotiator-on-talks-with-russians-kbthl70np). It might be the source.

&gt;The Russians repeatedly ignored all other attempts to talk about substance... Instead, they offered to set up Whatsapp groups, working groups and other processes they could use to trick the Americans into believing the talks were making progress so they [the US] would not take punitive action.

This is a measure of how psychopathic the Kremlin is. They believe they can infect Kyslytsia et al with their fantasy history and Kyiv would be thankful for the opportunity to roll over.

dafeiviizohyaeraaqua

The West keeps treating this like a problem to solve.
They think it’s about territory, pipelines, or power things that can be negotiated away. But for Russia this war isn’t about gain. It’s about being.

Since the fall of the USSR, Russia’s lived with the humiliation of collapse. The myth they tell themselves of sacred resistance, of surviving Western encirclement is how they rebuilt meaning. Ukraine isn’t a front. It’s the ritual reaffirmation of who they are.

That’s why the West can’t reason them out of it. To the West this is politics. To Russia it’s theology

Wide-Chart-7591

Thomas Wright: “Donald Trump is clearly frustrated with his failure to end the Russia-Ukraine war. He thought he could strike a deal with a simple transaction that recognized Russia’s territorial gains and appealed to its economic interests. He did not understand how committed Vladimir Putin was to the destruction of an independent Ukrainian state, or how difficult it would be to compel him to accept anything less.

“Recently President Trump tried to change the dynamic: He told Putin he might give Ukraine long-range Tomahawk missiles, and he tried to berate Volodymyr Zelensky into conceding territory, but both to no avail. Trump canceled a planned summit with Putin, explaining to reporters, ‘We’re going to have to know that we’re going to make a deal. I’m not going to be wasting my time. I’ve always had a great relationship with Vladimir Putin, but this has been very disappointing.’

“To hear senior Trump-administration officials tell it, they are very close to settling the war, if only the parties would be reasonable. They appear to view the fundamental conflict as simple and susceptible to compromise: Russia wants the remaining land that it does not control in the Donbas; Ukraine wants robust security guarantees. But in fact the problem is much more intractable and difficult than that.

“...Trump will not be able to end the war in the next few months, but he could start to create the military and diplomatic conditions for a successful negotiation later in his term. Doing so wouldn’t even require a radical shift in direction.”

Read more: [https://theatln.tc/2FFZcQY](https://theatln.tc/2FFZcQY)

theatlantic

Real permanent peace is probably not even an option for Putin. At this point Russia simply cannot afford to stop or lose, otherwise it will collapse. Strategically if Russia can absorb a large population of Ukraine, it can slow down its own demographic decline and also justify the cost of the war to some extent. So it has to and can only go on.

Right now the biggest obstacle to Ukraine invasion is the support of the west. So for Russia, the motives of negotiations are completely different. Putin is probably just trying to reduce or disrupt the support Ukraine is getting by many rounds of "negotiation". The real intent is always about the annexation.

DaySecure7642

Trump’s trying to convince Ukraine to give up some of its territory in exchange for firm security guarantees and Putin’s commitment not to invade other countries so much reminds of certain events from 1938, it’s both frightening and amusing.

knign

Could it be because he has no interest in a just peace?

fheathyr

His secondary sanction combined with ukraines attacks on oil refineries is about to collapse the Russian enconomy. Trump don't need to achieve peace at this point, Russia cannot sustain this anymore. People have said this for a few years now about Russia but this time It's  different, just wait an see this winter/spring

0krizia

too profitable for the wrong people for it to end.

Dull_Conversation669

His "peace efforts" keep failing because he doesn't care about peace. He keep posting these half baked peace plans so it looks like he is doing something good and ain't kooks like he is tough on Russia to his base. He clearly works for Putin or at the very least is a mercenary.


This was clear in 2016 and again when he humiliated Zelensky in the Oval Office.

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